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Men DII College Top 25 Nov. 5, 2009

(Mary Washington among the teams that pulled off a shocker)

Well that was some two weeks. The #1 team, Middlebury lost, big, to #25 UMass. Then #4 Radford were beat by unranked Mary Washington. Texas State lost to unranked North Texas.  Bloomsburg (#17) lost to unranked Millersville twice in the space of two weeks.

So the fact that Georgetown, Dayton, Miami, IUP, South Florida and Vermont justified their places, it was still a fortnight of infamy for the RugbyMag DII Top 25.

It’s all moved around now. Georgetown is #1, but we’re not sure they can hold it. Anyone in the top 15 right now has a shot.

Humboldt and Arizona State drop out due to lack of playing. Bloomsburg and Texas State drop out due to losses. Mary Washington, North Texas, Temple, Texas Tech and Eastern Washington all come in because of strong to outstanding game results.

RugbyMag.com Men’s DII College Top 25
Nov. 5, 2009
1 (2) Georgetown 7-0 Defeated American, Catholic
2 (3) N. Colorado 3-0 (4-2)
3 (5) Dayton 6-0 Defeated Ball State, Michigan State (18)
4 (6) Miami of Ohio 7-1 (8-1) Defeated Central Michigan, IUP (9)
5 (7) Col. Sch. Mines 4-1 (6-1)
6 (18) Michigan State 5-2 Defeated WVU (8), lost to Dayton (5)
7 (8) West Virginia 6-1 Lost 18-12 to Michigan State (18)
8 (Unr) Mary Washington 7-0 Defeated Radford (5)
9 (4) Radford 5-0-1 Lost 15-5 to Mary Washington
10 (9) Indiana Pa. 5-1 Defeated Cincinnati, lost to Miami (6)
11 (10) South Florida 2-0 (4-1) Defeated N. Fla., Lynn, Pasco
12 (14) UMass 8-1 Defeated Bentley, BU, Middlebury (1)
13 (1) Middlebury 7-2 Defeated Maine, UVM (16), lost to UMass (25)
14 (16) Vermont 4-2 Defeated URI, BU, lost 16-10 to Middlebury (1)
15 (11) Appalachian State 1-0 (4-0) Played Alumni
16 (Unr) North Texas 2-0 (5-0) Defeated TCU, Texas State (12)
17 (14) Stony Brook 8-0 Defeated Sacred Heart
18 (Unr) Millersville 5-1 Defeated Bloomsburg (17) twice
19 (15) Salisbury 5-0 (6-0) Defeated Navy C
20 (13) Utah Valley 3-1 Lost to Utah State, Defeated Weber State
21 (19) West Chester 4-1 (8-1) Defeated Scranton
22 (Unr) Eastern Washington 2-0 Defeated Western Washington
23 (Unr) Temple 5-0 Defeated Shippensburg
24 (Unr) Texas Tech 2-0 (2-2) Defeated Baylor, Angelo State
25t (21) Hamilton 7-0 Defeated Union, Hobart
25t (22) Buffalo State 7-0 Defeated Fredonia, RPI

 

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Reader Comments

MCsalzalum05 @ Thursday, November 19 2009 1:04 PM Flag Inappropriate
And speaking of Life,they are very good, but to speak to Rut's point, they are from everywhere in the country, not to mention world.I have an ex-teammate on the team so I heard it straight from the source's mouth.

MCsalzalum05 @ Thursday, November 19 2009 12:55 PM Flag Inappropriate
South,you're pulling away from your strengths and not making your argument any better.While I agree with Life, that is about all I agree with.I would take Navy,Delaware,Kutztown,Salisbury over most colleges anywhere.Jamie is right, your W-L record would not be Swami-worthy.

jamie @ Thursday, November 19 2009 11:40 AM Flag Inappropriate
You could take those teams, however you would probably lose a fair amount of those matches. One might also observe that your insistance otherwise could suggests that the schoolin' in those southern institutions ain't too good neither.

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 7:55 PM Flag Inappropriate
To diss the South is to also diss Life, Ark. St., Tennessee, the Atlanta Renegades, Charleston, and Furman. I'll take those teams over most of their top equivalents from the Midwest of Mid-Atlantic.

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 7:49 PM Flag Inappropriate
When was the last time the Midwest won a college D1 game at Nationals?!? They jusy lost their second seed, and their top seed is below South #2. Pathetic.

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 7:47 PM Flag Inappropriate
I've been in the South a long time and seen Furman regularly beat the South's top D2 teams, and sometimes it's mid-bottom D1 schools (Clemson, Georgia, etc.). Also, dismissing Ark. St. is ridiculous

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 7:44 PM Flag Inappropriate
Furman and The Citdael stay down due to school size, and because all the schools anywhere near them play in D3. Citadel also stays down because it doesn't have the funding like Army, Navy, etc.

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 7:41 PM Flag Inappropriate
Hardly a word of truth there. CLT plays in the M-A so they can have a competitive fall schedule and RSL in the spring. The South matrix is mostly in the spring, so playing in the M-A is advantageous for them.

mattyrut @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 4:52 PM Flag Inappropriate
OK, Life brings in players from around the globe, not many SOUTHerners. Charlotte left the SOUTH for better competition. Arkansas St. is hardly in the SOUTH, they also should challenge themselves and move territories.

jamie @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 3:10 PM Flag Inappropriate
the bottom of D1 is bad rugby and can't really be compared with the upper echelon of DII. There is not much difference between bottom DII and DIII. I think most of us know of the good rugby programs out there across all divisions, and the citidel and furman are not in those conversations.

MCsalzalum05 @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 2:12 PM Flag Inappropriate
local comm. college and feeder schools in the South.I give them credit for dominating their division,but it's nothing to write home about.What it comes down to is winning,Life wins so they are looked at as a strong team,until another consistent winner comes from the South, they are just an ok region

MCsalzalum05 @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 2:07 PM Flag Inappropriate
military school that requires extracurricular activities are part of their course of studies.They may have up to 75 or 80 guys a week at practice based on school requirements..But look at AF,USNA,USMA.They are dominant D1 teams while their little sister the Citadel is competing against ...

MCsalzalum05 @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 2:04 PM Flag Inappropriate
South,I've played at Furman's field on campus against the local men's team and watched them play a game afterwards and while they may be a dominant D3 team, they wouldn't compete with the top tier D2 teams, and have no chance against top D1 teams.AND of course the Citadel is competitive, it's a ...

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 10:37 AM Flag Inappropriate
Also, I'm fairly certain both Furman and The Citadel would crush a lot of D2 teams. They both choose to stay in D3 because of their school size (foolishly, I believe). Furman routinely beats up on the South's best D2 teams, and even the bottom of D1. Ditto for The Citadel.

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 10:35 AM Flag Inappropriate
You also cannot possibly be so stupid as to believe the 5th best team from another region is better than the 3rd best team from the South. That's a joke. The South routinely does well in all-stars, men's senior DI/RSL (Life, ATL Renegades), men's collegiate DI, and men's collegiate DIII. Hardly bad.

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 18 2009 10:33 AM Flag Inappropriate
MCsalzalum05, I never said Radford was in the South. I was speaking of how they were handled in the Mid-Atlantic. I can know this without being in MARFU. Also, I didn't only rely upon Division III for my argument. I've more than made my case - stop the misinformed hatin'.

MCsalzalum05 @ Tuesday, November 17 2009 10:36 AM Flag Inappropriate
sp please check your regions.3)I think Rut was saying that across the board the south is weakest, they do have a few good teams but all together the West and East coasts are much stronger regions.4)Allstar teams dont count, they never have the best talent on their teams so that argument is lame.

MCsalzalum05 @ Tuesday, November 17 2009 10:34 AM Flag Inappropriate
South-I have a couple comments for ya.1)D3 doesn't count,and don't bring it into this argument (it's still glorified HS ball),even so,Furman has more money than Berkeley does so of course they will win every year, their campus and facilities could rival professional ones.2)Radford is not the South

South Observer @ Monday, November 16 2009 12:22 PM Flag Inappropriate
Also, South teams have won 4 of the past 7 Division III Championships (Furman 3x, Coastal Carolina once), and have reached the Final 7 of 7 times, with their only 3 losses by a try or less each? In Div. 1, the South is also 3-1 versus the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast at Nationals the past two years.

South Observer @ Monday, November 16 2009 12:11 PM Flag Inappropriate
mattyrut, is the South not being very good why the South All-Stars down the Northeast 58-22 and the Midwest 47-05 last year. Or why Arkansas State played BYU closer than anyone except Cal? Or why Life has been the best men's senior team in the country the past 5 years?

soho @ Sunday, November 15 2009 6:51 PM Flag Inappropriate
Georgetown 21 Salisbury 10.

MCsalzalum05 @ Friday, November 13 2009 10:20 AM Flag Inappropriate
PRU-check the baltimore/chesapeake men's rugby site for the PRU games this weekend b/c they are being played at their field in Balto. Gtown/Salz on Sunday will answer a lot of questions regarding the "rankings" and their legitimacy.Radford08,stop talking about your team and win a couple games!

mattyrut @ Thursday, November 12 2009 10:46 AM Flag Inappropriate
Observer, I hate to be the one that awakens you to the fact that South rugby just isn't very good.

South Observer @ Wednesday, November 11 2009 6:19 PM Flag Inappropriate
Radford was briefly n Division 1, got buried, and moved back to Division 2. Also, Appalachian State lost to South Carolina (a Division 1 school ranked on ARN) 24-08 on the road. Why are only 2 Division 2 schools from the South ranked? This site appears to be very anti-South. Wake Forest and possibly Ole Miss probably deserve some love.

mattyrut @ Wednesday, November 11 2009 1:45 PM Flag Inappropriate
JMU for #4

MARFUFAN @ Monday, November 09 2009 8:06 AM Flag Inappropriate
Georgetown won big over Mt Saint Marys 69-5 and Salisbury beat Towson 39-8. Georgetown plays UMBC and Salisbury plays Loyola of MD. I would think they will play each other in the finals on Sunday.

pru @ Saturday, November 07 2009 11:20 PM Flag Inappropriate
Assuming Salisbury and Georgetown win through, the PRU final will shake up these standings quite a bit. Either Salisbury will jump into the top 10, or Georgetown will fall into the sub-15. I predict the former. Any word on their games this weekend?

SharkRugby10 @ Friday, November 06 2009 3:47 PM Flag Inappropriate
WWWWD

super prop @ Friday, November 06 2009 2:57 PM Flag Inappropriate
If there had been more characters allowed I would have gone on to say that I respect Radford. A small school that has done it on the big stage in d2. I think a strong d2 competition is necessary for the growth of rugby in the us. the super prop will not be silenced alex

radford08 @ Friday, November 06 2009 1:53 PM Flag Inappropriate
I agree Radford is a DII team, I was just defending the top DII teams can play with alot of DI teams. But yes KU, Penn st. and Navy are better teams. Goodmorning (VT) past 4 yrs lost to RU, barely won last yr. Does not make u superior and talk trash on the DII site.

Good Morning x 2 @ Friday, November 06 2009 1:43 PM Flag Inappropriate
what happened? half the comments were deleted. i think Goff is censoring the message boards.

Josh Young @ Friday, November 06 2009 12:17 PM Flag Inappropriate
Radford08 - When you win, talk little, when you lose talk less. Joe Sweeney makes a great point. If you can "destroy" D1 clubs, move up. If not, calm your hyperbole. These rankings mean nothing & give publicity to schools most the country doesn't know about. State a case for your team & chill.

Joe Sweeney @ Friday, November 06 2009 12:06 PM Flag Inappropriate
Radford 08, If D1 teams are not generally superior to D2 teams and Radford is consistently one of the top teams in D2, why doesn't Radford choose to move up to D1? Do you really think that only the top 4-6 D1 teams in the nation could beat Radford, but not Penn State, ASU, Dartmouth, LSU, etc.?

mattyrut @ Friday, November 06 2009 12:01 PM Flag Inappropriate
Good Morning: Judging by the amount of comments on these rankings compared to all of the other articles on this site, I'd say that you are quite WRONG! I personally can't wait to see how some of these teams react to multiple games in a weekend.

Radford08 @ Friday, November 06 2009 11:55 AM Flag Inappropriate
of teams ranked on the Top 25 would lose to some of the top DII teams. A young Radford team tied UNC who was DI TOP 25.

Radford08 @ Friday, November 06 2009 11:53 AM Flag Inappropriate
I think its funny how alot of D1 teams think they are superior, you know how many D1 teams we have destroyed? The only ones that are truly superior in play is Top 4-6. Its just a title given to the team does not mean anything. Have you done anything to earn title DI, because I can gurantee a lot

jamie @ Friday, November 06 2009 11:43 AM Flag Inappropriate
we must be above avg. readers. At least there is fluctuation in these rankings and competition for the championship. DI fall rankings are basically who's playing in the east, and then the west coast takes over and Cal wins in the spring. Is anyone sitting on the seat edge for that?

Good Morning x 2 @ Friday, November 06 2009 11:21 AM Flag Inappropriate
To chirugby_15: I'm sure Goff would be perfectly happy to drop the d2 rankings from his site, given that they're nearly impossible to compile and the average reader couldn't care less. He posts the d2 rankings because you guys complain about not getting coverage. So be careful what you wish for.

MCsalzalum05 @ Friday, November 06 2009 9:38 AM Flag Inappropriate
I give props to MaryWash for beating Radford...it shows that on any given day,a top team can get knocked off by being outplayed but come on now,ONE any given day victory over a top team does not warrant a top 10 ranking.MW and Gtown are a bit overranked,but playoffs will sort all of this out though.

tinko @ Friday, November 06 2009 8:27 AM Flag Inappropriate
4 teams in the Top 25 of Div II have over 20k undergraduate students.

sharkrugger @ Friday, November 06 2009 8:26 AM Flag Inappropriate
How can a team go from unranked to 8th overnight? Shouldn't they start at like 22? I mean, respect to Mary Wash, but they are not the 8th ranked team in the country. And I agree with Jamie, Radford, Middlebury and Salisbury have 5 titles in the last 7 years. Georgetown hasn't done squat.

jamie @ Friday, November 06 2009 7:54 AM Flag Inappropriate
Just opining, but seems like Radford, Middlebury, Salisbury deserve a little more respect than these rankings. A lot of new blood here , which is good, but they need to consistently prove themselves, as these programs have, in order to really deserve to be ranked so far above them.

MARFUFAN @ Friday, November 06 2009 7:28 AM Flag Inappropriate
sorry 300 words anyway in the PRU they have out scored teams by 127 pts and over all they have outscored teams by 170pts and have allowed like 3 trys all season. Well i guess this will all be worked out in the PRU finals when Georgetown and Salisbury meet. Maybe then they will get respect.

MARFUFAN @ Friday, November 06 2009 7:24 AM Flag Inappropriate
Ok so I have a real problem with the salisbury ranking. Salisbury has been on of the top teams in DII for years and they started this season not ranked because of youth, but now they are 6-0 and the drop to 19. If it were not for a rain out with George Mason the would have won the PRU regular season

chirugby_15 @ Friday, November 06 2009 1:13 AM Flag Inappropriate
These rankings are terrible. Either do some reporting/ or don't either bother doing this.

midwest college fan @ Thursday, November 05 2009 11:00 PM Flag Inappropriate
So MSU loses and moves up 12 places there season is done. What about St. Johns (MN) or UW Whitewater both of whom won there regionals? Have you ever even contacted anybody in WI or MN about there teams? No mention of Northwestern dropping out even after you did that kind story once again day 1 LOSS

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